tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502187932910780823.post1020092647255232471..comments2024-03-06T12:16:49.012-05:00Comments on Fire on the Mountain: Now It's 400,000 Climate Marchers? Puh-leeze...Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502187932910780823.post-71510670314507274242014-09-24T11:05:54.113-04:002014-09-24T11:05:54.113-04:00I'd go back to one of Jimmy's original arg...I'd go back to one of Jimmy's original arguments. We rely on accurate data to establish the veracity of global warming. Lies about that data would only serve to delegitimize our side's argument and hinder our ability to use that data to predict and plan (it would also render the principle of repeatability in science research meaningless). This is equally true for ALL of our data. Our enemy lies. Why should we?lycophidionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05703293804503506081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502187932910780823.post-23797082209040082092014-09-23T18:02:21.617-04:002014-09-23T18:02:21.617-04:00I appreciate Jimmy Higgins' figures. Hey, I wa...I appreciate Jimmy Higgins' figures. Hey, I was there, I want the numbers to be humongous, but even if you cram 5,000 people into every bloc, along CPW, that's at best 100,000 for the 20 blocks -- and there were far fewer than 5,000 per block. Sure, many could have joined along the way, so let's say 3,000 per block and double it to 120,000 or so, which feels about accurate to me -- I'm a longtime crowd counter, but didn't do so Sunday.<br /><br />It's important for us -- we, organizers! -- to know how many people we can pull out and gain that kind of support, with those specific kinds of efforts (as opposed to other ones). It's also important for other reasons -- which politics get funded and which get left by the wayside?<br /><br />Thanks Jimmy.<br /><br />Mitchel Cohen<br />Brooklyn Greens/Green PartyMitchel Cohenhttp://www.mitchelcohen.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502187932910780823.post-13559310646354538842014-09-22T14:14:27.540-04:002014-09-22T14:14:27.540-04:00Chuck, we did did not set out to debunk march numb...Chuck, we did did not set out to debunk march numbers. We set out to establish what they actually were. <br />As far as negotiating power, unless you can get the people represented by your numbers to do something else too, you are holding a busted flush. That's true even if the count is accurate. <br />For history? I got lied to so much about history from elementary school on, that I developed a real aversion to falsification. They lie to us all the time. Why should we lie to us? <br />If you think it's impossible to count a NYC March accurately, why not just call this one, and any other really big one, a million and be done with it. And don't forget to accuse anyone who checks in with a lower number of doing the corporations' dirty work.Jimmy Higginshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16032194600141427172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6502187932910780823.post-87086770137569417362014-09-22T13:47:38.807-04:002014-09-22T13:47:38.807-04:00Actually, what I think is silly is to spend effort...Actually, what I think is silly is to spend effort "debunking" march numbers. Who cares how many there were if there were a lot? The numbers game is for negotiating power and for history. What useful purpose is served by trying to decrease that number? That only benefits corporate interests. Especially in NYC, it is impossible for anyone, including you, to claim accurate counts, I don't care what methodology is used.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14269132338340688477noreply@blogger.com